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Obama is the Neville Chamberlain of our time.
Posted: 16 May 2008 05:01 PM   [ Ignore ]
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He wants to appease our enemys like Chamberlain did. Well a vote for Obama is a vote for weakness.

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Chamberlain ist meeting with hitler
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One thing: Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2 have never talked with the Iranian leaders since after the Sha and I can’t think of any president who has ever met North Koreas leaders face to face.

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Posted: 16 May 2008 05:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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He does not.  He wants to defeat our enemies, which Bush has been unable to do.

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Nope.  Don’t even think it.  Not the governor.  He has a job to do (God bless him and help keep him focused on governing and not on imposing his personal religious interpretations on the rest of us) while I’m just a moderate gadfly ... which in Louisiana they call “liberal.” --Faux Bobby Jindal

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Posted: 16 May 2008 05:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Bobby Jindal - 16 May 2008 05:11 PM

He does not.  He wants to defeat our enemies, which Bush has been unable to do.

No he doesn’t. He wants to get our troops out of Iraq. Bush is defeating our enemies because we haven’t had another attack on the mainland. We need to stay in Iraq to establish a permanent foothold in the region to be a buffer against Iran.

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Posted: 16 May 2008 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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As of Nov. 2006 we were in Iraq longer than we were in WWII. Where is Bin Laden?  Where is Iran?  The war has not been a successful policy by any measure.  Your title allegation is that Obama would “appease” somebody.  What would he give them?  Chamberlain gave half of Czechoslovakia to Hitler because he thought that would defeat Russia, which he thought was the bigger enemy.  Obviously he was wrong.  But it is Bush who has given Iran a Shiite state next door to them, because Bush thought Saddam was the bigger enemy.  He was wrong.  Iran and Al Qaida are strengthened by our occupation of Iraq.  McCain, just like Obama, will be open to talking.  But neither will be as bullheadedly mistaken in foreign policy as Bush has been.

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Nope.  Don’t even think it.  Not the governor.  He has a job to do (God bless him and help keep him focused on governing and not on imposing his personal religious interpretations on the rest of us) while I’m just a moderate gadfly ... which in Louisiana they call “liberal.” --Faux Bobby Jindal

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Posted: 16 May 2008 05:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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As of Nov. 2006 we were in Iraq longer than we were in WWII. Where is Bin Laden?  Where is Iran?  The war has not been a successful policy by any measure.  Your title allegation is that Obama would “appease” somebody.  What would he give them?  Chamberlain gave half of Czechoslovakia to Hitler because he thought that would defeat Russia, which he thought was the bigger enemy.  Obviously he was wrong.  But it is Bush who has given Iran a Shiite state next door to them, because Bush thought Saddam was the bigger enemy.  He was wrong.  Iran and Al Qaida are strengthened by our occupation of Iraq.  McCain, just like Obama, will be open to talking.  But neither will be as bullheadedly mistaken in foreign policy as Bush has been.

Bush has given Iran nothing. We must stay the course and continue the occupation.

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Posted: 16 May 2008 05:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Pure Oil - 16 May 2008 05:36 PM

[Bush has given Iran nothing.

Well I must be wrong then.  Ahmadinejad didn’t go over to Iraq and hang out with his buddies.  He isn’t happy to have a government headed by Shias.  Al Qaida has not used our presence to recruit and train new terrorists.  Hamas does not now control Gaza.  You sure are persuasive!!

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Nope.  Don’t even think it.  Not the governor.  He has a job to do (God bless him and help keep him focused on governing and not on imposing his personal religious interpretations on the rest of us) while I’m just a moderate gadfly ... which in Louisiana they call “liberal.” --Faux Bobby Jindal

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Posted: 16 May 2008 06:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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[Bush has given Iran nothing.

Well I must be wrong then.  Ahmadinejad didn’t go over to Iraq and hang out with his buddies.  He isn’t happy to have a government headed by Shias.  Al Qaida has not used our presence to recruit and train new terrorists.  Hamas does not now control Gaza.  You sure are persuasive!!

Still Iran does not occupy Iraq.

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Posted: 16 May 2008 06:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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[Bush has given Iran nothing.

Well I must be wrong then.  Ahmadinejad didn’t go over to Iraq and hang out with his buddies.  He isn’t happy to have a government headed by Shias.  Al Qaida has not used our presence to recruit and train new terrorists.  Hamas does not now control Gaza.  You sure are persuasive!!

Sorry these problems in the world can’t be solved in a one hour television show like you would prefer BJ.. We are facing real evil, that has opposed western society for 1400 years.  There is no easy solution, no quick fix.

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Posted: 16 May 2008 06:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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fred - 16 May 2008 06:13 PM

Bobby Jindal - 16 May 2008 05:56 PM
Pure Oil - 16 May 2008 05:36 PM
[Bush has given Iran nothing.

Well I must be wrong then.  Ahmadinejad didn’t go over to Iraq and hang out with his buddies.  He isn’t happy to have a government headed by Shias.  Al Qaida has not used our presence to recruit and train new terrorists.  Hamas does not now control Gaza.  You sure are persuasive!!

Sorry these problems in the world can’t be solved in a one hour television show like you would prefer BJ.. We are facing real evil, that has opposed western society for 1400 years.  There is no easy solution, no quick fix.

Thank you Fred.

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Posted: 16 May 2008 06:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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The last time the US actively went up against the Islams, was the early 1800’s, then called the Ottoman empire.. Naval warfare and army skirmishes lasted for 30 years.

Our battle with Russia lasted over 40 years.  And you guys want a 30 minute wrap up.

I guess you and the boy think obama will send in Schwartzenegger and wrap this up in one afternoon!!  All part of his “new” thinking on foreign affairs, and “change” in how we deal with them.

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Posted: 16 May 2008 08:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Just as troll cannot convince me gay marriage is ok, the islamists cannot be convinced that Israel and western society, with it’s infidels, is acceptable.. Being raiseed Catholic, I have been taught homosexual relations are a sin.. Just as islamists have been taught all their lives that all non-beleivers should be killed.  Just as no clever argument from troll will not sway me, no clever word game from obama will sway the islamists.  His belief that he can go over and change their attitude is a sign of his incompetence and naivity.. He can no more make them say, “gee obama, you’re right!  we shall join hands with the jews!!” than troll can make me beleive gay marriage is okay in the eyes of the lord. 

The only thing the islamist world recognizes is strength and power.. That is what we must display to them.. At least McCain realizes this.. Obama is a babe in the woods, who would be eaten alive, and endanger all US lives.

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Posted: 16 May 2008 10:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Iraq was a secular Baathist Sunni regime that served as a counterbalance to the Shia regime of Iran. Then some moron decided to preemptively invade Iraq looking for non existent WMDs ( and maybe a little oil, wink wink), installed a Shia government in Iraq and consequently upset the balance of power in the region. Now said moron is standing scratching his head and his azz at the same time trying to figure out what to do about the new kingpin he’s created in the Middle East, Iran. Meanwhile his uber-conservative flying monkey minions, such as frequent these forums, and who don’t know jack about the context of the region, parade around wrapped in a flag and spouting off some nonsense Sean Hannity, the GED holding talk radio dipstick, has recently blown up their keester.

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Posted: 16 May 2008 10:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Iraq was a secular Baathist Sunni regime that served as a counterbalance to the Shia regime of Iran. Then some moron decided to preemptively invade Iraq looking for non existent WMDs ( and maybe a little oil, wink wink), installed a Shia government in Iraq and consequently upset the balance of power in the region. Now said moron is standing scratching his head and his azz at the same time trying to figure out what to do about the new kingpin he’s created in the Middle East, Iran. Meanwhile his uber-conservative flying monkey minions, such as frequent these forums, and who don’t know jack about the context of the region, parade around wrapped in a flag and spouting off some nonsense Sean Hannity, the GED holding talk radio dipstick, has recently blown up their keester.

Thats tell the real truth. We invaded Iraq with multi-coalition forces because Saddam violated 17 United Nations Resolutions that they voted on and he wouldn’t let inspectors in. Bush gave him and his sons 48 hours to leave and go elsewhere. They chose not to.  The WMDs may still be found. Syria is a possible location and Iraq is a large country. The Iraqi people voted their government in with the freedom and democracy we gave them. They were under a tyrannical dictator who murdered his own people. He had rape chambers and oppressed his people. Bush did the right thing. Iran doesn’t like democracy as they sanction their own people. What we need to do now is take out Irans nuclear enrichment plants across the country using the 3 day pentagon attack plan recently drawn up. Doing this will set them back decades and it will prevent Iran from starting a nuclear arms race. If Obama gets elected he would appease Iran and allow them to take over parts of Iraq like Chamberlain did with Hitler by allowing him to have parts of Czechoslovakia.

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Posted: 16 May 2008 10:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Iraq was a secular Baathist Sunni regime that served as a counterbalance to the Shia regime of Iran. Then some moron decided to preemptively invade Iraq looking for non existent WMDs ( and maybe a little oil, wink wink), installed a Shia government in Iraq and consequently upset the balance of power in the region. Now said moron is standing scratching his head and his azz at the same time trying to figure out what to do about the new kingpin he’s created in the Middle East, Iran. Meanwhile his uber-conservative flying monkey minions, such as frequent these forums, and who don’t know jack about the context of the region, parade around wrapped in a flag and spouting off some nonsense Sean Hannity, the GED holding talk radio dipstick, has recently blown up their keester.

Thats tell the real truth. We invaded Iraq with multi-coalition forces because Saddam violated 17 United Nations Resolutions that they voted on and he wouldn’t let inspectors in. Bush gave him and his sons 48 hours to leave and go elsewhere. They chose not to.  The WMDs may still be found. Syria is a possible location and Iraq is a large country. The Iraqi people voted their government in with the freedom and democracy we gave them. They were under a tyrannical dictator who murdered his own people. He had rape chambers and oppressed his people. Bush did the right thing. Iran doesn’t like democracy as they sanction their own people. What we need to do now is take out Irans nuclear enrichment plants across the country using the 3 day pentagon attack plan recently drawn up. Doing this will set them back decades and it will prevent Iran from starting a nuclear arms race.

Like the nuclear arms race India started, or Pakistan started, or Japan started, or Israel started? or North Korea started?.................The WMDs may still be found..........LOL....................

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Posted: 17 May 2008 12:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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johnlocke - 16 May 2008 10:46 PM

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johnlocke - 16 May 2008 10:25 PM
Iraq was a secular Baathist Sunni regime that served as a counterbalance to the Shia regime of Iran. Then some moron decided to preemptively invade Iraq looking for non existent WMDs ( and maybe a little oil, wink wink), installed a Shia government in Iraq and consequently upset the balance of power in the region. Now said moron is standing scratching his head and his azz at the same time trying to figure out what to do about the new kingpin he’s created in the Middle East, Iran. Meanwhile his uber-conservative flying monkey minions, such as frequent these forums, and who don’t know jack about the context of the region, parade around wrapped in a flag and spouting off some nonsense Sean Hannity, the GED holding talk radio dipstick, has recently blown up their keester.

Thats tell the real truth. We invaded Iraq with multi-coalition forces because Saddam violated 17 United Nations Resolutions that they voted on and he wouldn’t let inspectors in. Bush gave him and his sons 48 hours to leave and go elsewhere. They chose not to.  The WMDs may still be found. Syria is a possible location and Iraq is a large country. The Iraqi people voted their government in with the freedom and democracy we gave them. They were under a tyrannical dictator who murdered his own people. He had rape chambers and oppressed his people. Bush did the right thing. Iran doesn’t like democracy as they sanction their own people. What we need to do now is take out Irans nuclear enrichment plants across the country using the 3 day pentagon attack plan recently drawn up. Doing this will set them back decades and it will prevent Iran from starting a nuclear arms race.

Like the nuclear arms race India started, or Pakistan started, or Japan started, or Israel started? or North Korea started?.................The WMDs may still be found..........LOL....................

Laugh all you want. None of those are rogue nations to the U.S. except North Korea and they have ceased their operations on obtaining WMDs. How can North Korea cause a arms race when China is next door with thousands? lol

On March 17, 2007, North Korea told delegates at international nuclear talks it would begin shut down preparations for its main nuclear facility. This was later confirmed on 14 July 2007 as International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors observed the initial shut-down phases of the currently operating 5 MW Yongbyon nuclear reactor, despite there being no official time line declared. In return, the reclusive nation has received 50,000 tons of heavy fuel oil shipped from South Korea. Once the old small nuclear reactor is permanently shut down, North Korea will receive the equivalent of 950,000 tons of fuel oil when the six-nation talks reconvene. Following breakthrough talks held in September 2007, aimed at hastening the end of North Korea’s nuclear program, North Korea was to “disable some part of its nuclear facilities” by the end of 2007, according to the US Assistant Secretary of State.

The details of such an agreement are due to be worked out in a session held in the People’s Republic of China which will involve South Korea, China, Russia and Japan. Terms for the agreement have thus far not been disclosed, nor has it been disclosed what offer was made on the United States’s part in exchange. The possibility of removing North Korea from the US list of state sponsors of terrorism has been discussed, which imposes a ban on all arms related trade with countries on the list, along with withholding US aid. Should these bans be lifted, the US may help North Koreans following devastating floods in August 2007.

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Posted: 17 May 2008 06:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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johnlocke - 16 May 2008 10:46 PM
Pure Oil - 16 May 2008 10:40 PM
johnlocke - 16 May 2008 10:25 PM
Iraq was a secular Baathist Sunni regime that served as a counterbalance to the Shia regime of Iran. Then some moron decided to preemptively invade Iraq looking for non existent WMDs ( and maybe a little oil, wink wink), installed a Shia government in Iraq and consequently upset the balance of power in the region. Now said moron is standing scratching his head and his azz at the same time trying to figure out what to do about the new kingpin he’s created in the Middle East, Iran. Meanwhile his uber-conservative flying monkey minions, such as frequent these forums, and who don’t know jack about the context of the region, parade around wrapped in a flag and spouting off some nonsense Sean Hannity, the GED holding talk radio dipstick, has recently blown up their keester.

Thats tell the real truth. We invaded Iraq with multi-coalition forces because Saddam violated 17 United Nations Resolutions that they voted on and he wouldn’t let inspectors in. Bush gave him and his sons 48 hours to leave and go elsewhere. They chose not to.  The WMDs may still be found. Syria is a possible location and Iraq is a large country. The Iraqi people voted their government in with the freedom and democracy we gave them. They were under a tyrannical dictator who murdered his own people. He had rape chambers and oppressed his people. Bush did the right thing. Iran doesn’t like democracy as they sanction their own people. What we need to do now is take out Irans nuclear enrichment plants across the country using the 3 day pentagon attack plan recently drawn up. Doing this will set them back decades and it will prevent Iran from starting a nuclear arms race.

Like the nuclear arms race India started, or Pakistan started, or Japan started, or Israel started? or North Korea started?.................The WMDs may still be found..........LOL....................

Laugh all you want. None of those are rogue nations to the U.S. except North Korea and they have ceased their operations on obtaining WMDs. How can North Korea cause a arms race when China is next door with thousands? lol

On March 17, 2007, North Korea told delegates at international nuclear talks it would begin shut down preparations for its main nuclear facility. This was later confirmed on 14 July 2007 as International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors observed the initial shut-down phases of the currently operating 5 MW Yongbyon nuclear reactor, despite there being no official time line declared. In return, the reclusive nation has received 50,000 tons of heavy fuel oil shipped from South Korea. Once the old small nuclear reactor is permanently shut down, North Korea will receive the equivalent of 950,000 tons of fuel oil when the six-nation talks reconvene. Following breakthrough talks held in September 2007, aimed at hastening the end of North Korea’s nuclear program, North Korea was to “disable some part of its nuclear facilities” by the end of 2007, according to the US Assistant Secretary of State.

The details of such an agreement are due to be worked out in a session held in the People’s Republic of China which will involve South Korea, China, Russia and Japan. Terms for the agreement have thus far not been disclosed, nor has it been disclosed what offer was made on the United States’s part in exchange. The possibility of removing North Korea from the US list of state sponsors of terrorism has been discussed, which imposes a ban on all arms related trade with countries on the list, along with withholding US aid. Should these bans be lifted, the US may help North Koreans following devastating floods in August 2007.

First , I thought Bush didn’t negotiate with Rogue nations, (you know axis of evil!).......second, the Yongbyon facility which has been in operation off and on since 1987 has been shut down on more than one occasion.  How can Korea cause an arms race?...they can’t and that’s the point, and neither can Iran......Pakistan has nuclear weapons don’t they, Pakistan and North Korea according to the IAEA) are the two most dangerous nations in the world relative to the threat of nuclear proliferation,........... are you aware of any negotiations to urge Pakistan to give up it’s nukes?.................That said even were Iran to acquire a nuclear capability ...big deal.....The only thing this administration is worried about is that Iran threatens their oil baron posse’s plans to exploit the sea of oil on which Iraq is floating........................

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