Anyone who believes that the Governor was opposing the pay raise throughout the process is either ignorant of how things work or they are too blinded by their faith in the false prophet on the fourth floor. Jindal’s folks were actively threatening people who were not supporting the voucher bill. If he had given any indication to any legislators that he was opposed to the pay raise and that it was bound for the veto stack, then it never would have come off of the Senate floor, where the votes were slim at best. The entire debacle can be squarely laid at the Governor’s feet.
ssucker are you going through the list of posts to pick fights or what. What one believes and what one can prove are totally different. I am neither ignorant nor blinded. The governor has spoken as to what happened. You say Jindal’s folks were actively threatening people on the voucher bill. I don’t call you ignorant or blind on that. Who? Name the names of the Jindal folks making threats. What kind of threats? To the raise. The governor told the public which does believe the Governor was opposing the payraise throughout the process because he said so and Chaisson, Tucker and Michot all seem to support him. That leaves only one conclusion. You say the entire debacle can be squarely laid at the governor’s feet. He says his only mistake was in not being in more control over the legislature. He says he was against it from the very beginning. If that is true, and no one has proven otherwise yet, why weren’t new legislators told?
I don’t see how you can blame Franklin Foil for Tucker’s mistake. Foil voted for it and that was not smart but the governor has made it clear he let the legislature’s leaders know he was against it. Maybe Tucker did not deliver the governor’s message. From what the governor said publicly, it looks like somewhere between the governor and the legislature communications was lost in the middle somewhere. That would mean whatever he told Tucker and Chaisson they must have failed to tell their members.
I would not be surprised if there were a communications snafu. Jindal’s administration, like Bush’s, has proven to be inept. What can be expected when Jindal’s top aide did not even graduate from high school?
What happened to Republican’s that knew how to manage things? This group is not at all conservative in their beliefs and actions.
Teaching religious beliefs in high school is something Barry Goldwater, father of modern conservatism, would have opposed. And all these pay raises for legislators and top bureaucracy are a far cry from conservatism.
Anyone who believes that the Governor was opposing the pay raise throughout the process is either ignorant of how things work or they are too blinded by their faith in the false prophet on the fourth floor. Jindal’s folks were actively threatening people who were not supporting the voucher bill. If he had given any indication to any legislators that he was opposed to the pay raise and that it was bound for the veto stack, then it never would have come off of the Senate floor, where the votes were slim at best. The entire debacle can be squarely laid at the Governor’s feet.
ssucker are you going through the list of posts to pick fights or what. What one believes and what one can prove are totally different. I am neither ignorant nor blinded. The governor has spoken as to what happened. You say Jindal’s folks were actively threatening people on the voucher bill. I don’t call you ignorant or blind on that. Who? Name the names of the Jindal folks making threats. What kind of threats? To the raise. The governor told the public which does believe the Governor was opposing the payraise throughout the process because he said so and Chaisson, Tucker and Michot all seem to support him. That leaves only one conclusion. You say the entire debacle can be squarely laid at the governor’s feet. He says his only mistake was in not being in more control over the legislature. He says he was against it from the very beginning. If that is true, and no one has proven otherwise yet, why weren’t new legislators told?
I’m with seersucker on this one. You can’t prove what goes on in back rooms. But the truth of the matter is that the threats on the voucher bill were more like incentives to vote for it. Vote for it or lose your money in HB1, its as simple as that.
Jindal was not opposed to this bill from the very beginning. If he was it would have been squashed from the day that it was filed. But no, he let it get all of the way to the House floor before saying anything about it. Go spend a couple of days at the Capitol next session and you will realize that we are right.
Anyone who believes that the Governor was opposing the pay raise throughout the process is either ignorant of how things work or they are too blinded by their faith in the false prophet on the fourth floor. Jindal’s folks were actively threatening people who were not supporting the voucher bill. If he had given any indication to any legislators that he was opposed to the pay raise and that it was bound for the veto stack, then it never would have come off of the Senate floor, where the votes were slim at best. The entire debacle can be squarely laid at the Governor’s feet.
ssucker are you going through the list of posts to pick fights or what. What one believes and what one can prove are totally different. I am neither ignorant nor blinded. The governor has spoken as to what happened. You say Jindal’s folks were actively threatening people on the voucher bill. I don’t call you ignorant or blind on that. Who? Name the names of the Jindal folks making threats. What kind of threats? To the raise. The governor told the public which does believe the Governor was opposing the payraise throughout the process because he said so and Chaisson, Tucker and Michot all seem to support him. That leaves only one conclusion. You say the entire debacle can be squarely laid at the governor’s feet. He says his only mistake was in not being in more control over the legislature. He says he was against it from the very beginning. If that is true, and no one has proven otherwise yet, why weren’t new legislators told?
I’m with seersucker on this one. You can’t prove what goes on in back rooms. But the truth of the matter is that the threats on the voucher bill were more like incentives to vote for it. Vote for it or lose your money in HB1, its as simple as that.
Jindal was not opposed to this bill from the very beginning. If he was it would have been squashed from the day that it was filed. But no, he let it get all of the way to the House floor before saying anything about it. Go spend a couple of days at the Capitol next session and you will realize that we are right.
Is it perhaps that you want it to fail? What are your vested interests? What are your connections to Jindal or Foil?
Trollfessor - 02 July 2008 03:11 PM
This recall effort will fail, as will all the other recalls.
But it is nice to see citizen interest and involvement, so please keep active after it fails.
First of all, I’m kind of OCD so can you please learn to post correctly instead of having it all upside down? That would be great.
I think Troll and I are in the same mindset of this one. I also think that it will fail, but I have no vested interests, or connections to Jindal or Foil. While it is nice to see so many people finally getting involved, I just don’t see it happening as being realistic. You need 1/3 of all registered voters to sign the recall to make it happen. The turnout on election day is never even near 33%, and thats when you have several candidates on the ballot. I also think that there aren’t enough people with a lot of money that they are willing to put in this getting involved. Things like this could be successful if they had the money to back them.
As far as Foil is concerned, I believe that he is a wonderful man, a great representative and he doesn’t deserve any of this. I think he has done a great job and that you are a fair-weather fan. Are you just going to give up on LSU after they make one bad decision in a game?? Well by the looks of things you prob would, and would try to get the coach kicked off the team.
Sports and politics are totally different. The leges are public servants, their job is to serve the public.
Fair enough, but I know there are many who would argue that since these football players go to school on taxpayers money, their job is also to serve the public. But comparing the two is possible, since at one sign of trouble you are bailing ship, the same as if the Tigers lose one game. It’s like this is a totally new year, with a new team, and it takes a little while to get all of the kinks out.
I understand what you are saying. But we elect our leges to represent us. My rep is an attorney, said he was conservative and he was warned in advance what would happen. I don’t think this bill was conservative at all. I want the government to stop excessive spending and focus on more important thinks that we need, like better roads, which I poorly said so on another topic. Sure I would not have oppose a payraise if it had not been so excessive.
I would not have opposed THIS payraise but for two conditions:
1. took effect immediately
2. automatic COLA increase.
If they had proposed this exact raise to take effect when the next legislature was seated, without the COLA, I would have supported it, something I mentioned to my legislators in my letters on the subject.
I would not have opposed THIS payraise but for two conditions:
1. took effect immediately
2. automatic COLA increase.
If they had proposed this exact raise to take effect when the next legislature was seated, without the COLA, I would have supported it, something I mentioned to my legislators in my letters on the subject.
We expect to get some signatures at the Kenilworth parade tonight. Thursday July 3rd.
Nice website CC. I wish you much success even tho we are hoping our scumbag is the first, lol. We too have some things planned tonight. Thursday July 3rd.
