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What do Republicans here see in store for the future of the GOP?
Today’s moderates (Schwartzenegger, pre-campaign version of McCain) win the civil war and the base revolts and splinters 1
Today’s hardliners (Dick Cheney, Rick Santorum) win the civil war and the moderates revolt and become Democrats 4
Come on Leoony, there will be no civil war and the GOP will be just fine, despite the last two election cycles 5
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Posted: 11 November 2008 03:57 PM   [ Ignore ]
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From Salon.com today:

Nov. 11, 2008 | Surveying the wreckage after American voters gave their party the bum’s rush, Republican thinkers have pondered what went wrong, searched their souls—and decided that the way to regain power is to move further to the right....

Predictably taking the hardest line were the braying tribunes of the right-wing plebs, Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. The McCain-detesting Coulter wrote, “The only good thing about McCain is that he gave us a genuine conservative, Sarah Palin. He’s like one of those insects that lives just long enough to reproduce so that the species can survive. That’s why a lot of us are referring to Sarah as ‘The One’ these days. Like Sarah Connor in ‘The Terminator,’ Sarah Palin is destined to give birth to a new movement.”

Limbaugh managed to refrain from comparing McCain to an insect, but he joined Coulter in anointing Palin the future queen of the Republican Party. Noting that a Rasmussen poll showed that 69 percent of GOP voters love Palin, Limbaugh sneered, “So all of you wizards of smart on our side, all of you intellectualoids who think that Palin was a drag, the party loves Sarah Palin. The vast majority of conservative Republicans love Sarah Palin. Twenty percent of Republicans who say she hurt the ticket, you are probably the ones that need to go and walk and join across the aisle with the others that you find so much more palatable because they are able to communicate and they are writers and they are intellectual ... The party loves her.”

It’s hardly surprising that buffoonish entertainers like Coulter and Limbaugh are sticking to their guns: Their livelihood depends on catering to the rabid GOP base. But you’d think that the right’s cooler heads would realize that something has gone terribly wrong with a party and a movement that can seriously consider nominating Sarah Palin for president....

Right-wing ideologues are suffering from massive cognitive dissonance (not to mention a healthy helping of denial). They can’t grasp why their party imploded because the vast majority of them always supported Bush and his policies and still do. A few conservative critics have blasted him for lacking fiscal discipline, but most right-wing pundits liked Bush’s policies just fine—until the public turned on him and on McCain....

The painful truth for conservatives is that the dogs aren’t eating their dog food—and every national trend indicates that they will never eat it again. Which means the GOP faces a wrenching choice: remain true to its increasingly irrelevant and rejected ideology and fade into political insignificance, or remake itself as essentially a more moderate version of the Democratic Party....

The GOP faces two problems for which it has no answers. The first is that its two main branches are fundamentally incompatible. The right has always been divided between a libertarian, free-market, anti-government, no-tax wing, and a traditional-values, moral-issues wing. These are strange bedfellows. Libertarians abhor any kind of coercive policies, no matter how “moral” their aims, whether they’re imposed by government or anyone else. They tend to be tolerant on social issues. Traditionalists, many of them devout Christians, regard their version of morality as the highest value and demand coercive governmental measures—on abortion and gay marriage, for example—to instill it.

Two things have always held these two branches together: national security concerns, and a sense that however much each branch might dislike some of the GOP’s positions, the Democratic alternative was even worse. Both of these unifying factors have now waned, and they seem unlikely ever to return.

The collapse of the USSR fatally damaged the GOP’s “tough on national security” appeal. Sept. 11 and Bush’s “war on terror” revived it for a while, but when the American people realized that the Iraq war was a disastrous mistake, the terrorist boogeyman shrunk to its rightful proportions. (Sadly for the GOP, fear is not a state that a healthy organism or society wishes to live in for very long.) By crying wolf, Bush weakened the right’s ability to use fear as a political tool. As with the economy, Bush’s overreaching ended up hastening the demise of the very “movement conservatism” of which he was so loyal and exemplary a servant. Indeed, Bush’s “war on terror” opened a new set of fissures in the already-cracked GOP, this time between neoconservative interventionists and old-fashioned conservatives opposed to gratuitous foreign meddling.

As national security has faded, the last thing holding the right together is its hatred of the Democrats and everything they stand for. This glue still binds the party’s ideologically driven base. But for the GOP to win national elections, it has to convince moderates of the same thing. And in this election, moderates decisively rejected the Republicans’ arguments.

Moderates rejected the GOP for two reasons: because Bush’s presidency was a disaster, and because they didn’t like the GOP’s harsh, ugly tone. That tone is the result of the fact that the party was taken over long ago by “movement conservatives,” true believers who bitterly oppose secular modernism and everything associated with it. Their hard-line Jacobinism, imbued with an inchoate sense of angry resentment, drives the right’s culture war and animates the movement’s base. It has become synonymous with modern conservatism, which is why McCain’s ugly campaign was no accident.

The problem is that moderates are completely turned off both by the GOP’s performance and by its extreme, demonizing worldview and rhetoric. And the reason they’re turned off is that the country’s demographics have fundamentally changed—and changed in a way that makes it impossible for the GOP in its current form to survive....

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Posted: 11 November 2008 04:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Chill lev.. Civilization will go on.

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Posted: 11 November 2008 04:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Who is Gary Kamiya..... sure Trot like I’d believe anything this loon writes.

Gary Kamiya, Executive Editor, spent his early childhood in Chicago, where his scientist father, Joe Kamiya, was a pioneer in biofeedback research. After moving to California, he attended Berkeley High, where the student government was run by a dadaist cabal; put in a brief, LSD-riddled stint at Yale; and some aimless years later washed up in the UC-Berkeley English Department, where he won the Mark Schorer Citation in English Literature before earning an M.A.

After struggling for years as a starving theater critic, ex-graduate student and disgruntled former postal employee, Kamiya sold a story about an enormous motorized croquet game to Sports Illustrated and decided to quit his job as a taxi driver.

It was a poor career move. Pigeonholed by editors as a motorized giant-sport correspondent, Kamiya floundered. He helped launch Frisko, a short-lived San Francisco glossy, wrote occasional pieces for Art Forum and other high-prestige, low-pay journals and experimented with different recipes for boiled potatoes.

He had just entered the formulaic stage at which consumptive writers begin waving their crumpled manuscripts at “respectable citizens” in cafes when his friend and former editor David Talbot, who had just been hired to edit the San Francisco Examiner’s Image magazine, took pity on him. After three years as a senior editor at the magazine, Kamiya moved to the paper’s Style section, where he served as book editor, movie critic and media columnist.

Kamiya lives on a street with cable cars with his wife, Kate Moses, and her son Zachary. He likes big cities, ‘50s paperbacks with gratuitous cleavage on their covers, Steve Young, backpacking, Italy and people who like to talk.

It was a Democrat year and McCain was a horrible candidate. Surely Republican’s need to get back to our conservative principles of less gov’t, lower taxes, free trade, strong national defense and yes pro-life.

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Posted: 11 November 2008 04:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I agree with Mr Prager…

I spent a good part of the past year speaking and writing against the election of Barack Obama. During the last week of the campaign, my Salem Radio Network colleagues, Hugh Hewitt and Michael Medved, and I spoke on behalf of the McCain-Palin ticket in the “Battleground states” of Colorado, Minnesota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida.

One would expect that I would be devastated at Barack Obama’s election — as devastated as liberals were at the reelection of George W. Bush in 2004. I am not — yet. Here are some reasons why:

I just quoted his points…

1. Republicans won the election of 2004, an election that was more important to the future of America and the world than was this election. ...

2. The election of a black president is good for blacks, good for whites, and therefore very good for America.

3. The Obama victory poses a serious challenge to liberalism and to the doctrine of black victimhood.

4. The Obama victory will bring clarity to America’s place in the world.

5. Conservatives will be able to show how much more decently they act when they are out of power.

and finally…

The treatment of President George W. Bush by liberals has been despicable, undeserved and unprecedented. We who oppose Barack Obama’s policies will, hopefully, act in accordance with conservative values of decency. Hence my simple announcement on the day after the election: “I did not vote for him. I did not want him to be president. But as of January 20, 2009, Barack Obama will be my president.”

Barack Obama may have a successful presidency or a failed one. If he allows the left wing of the Democratic Party to set his agenda, it will be the latter. In the meantime, however, we can celebrate the aforementioned good of Barack Obama’s election and pray for him and for our beloved country.

http://jewishworldreview.com/1108/prager111108.php3

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Posted: 11 November 2008 04:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Look, I’m not endorsing that article’s propositions.  I just threw that out there to get you rightwingers to start talking about your future.  There have been meetings of GOP insiders since the day after the election where some have talked about moving the party more to the left (like David Cameron has done with the Conservatives in the UK) while others have openly talked about it being good that these elections purged the party of moderates.

I’m curious as to what the foot soldiers of the movement that call this site home have to say about this issue (or non issue, as the case may be).

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Posted: 11 November 2008 04:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Leon Trotsky - 11 November 2008 04:26 PM

Look, I’m not endorsing that article’s propositions.  I just threw that out there to get you rightwingers to start talking about your future.  There have been meetings of GOP insiders since the day after the election where some have talked about moving the party more to the left (like David Cameron has done with the Conservatives in the UK) while others have openly talked about it being good that these elections purged the party of moderates.

I’m curious as to what the foot soldiers of the movement that call this site home have to say about this issue (or non issue, as the case may be).

Didn’t we just lose after acting like leftist for the last eight years and campaign even further to the left?

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Posted: 11 November 2008 04:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Avman - 11 November 2008 04:42 PM

Leon Trotsky - 11 November 2008 04:26 PM
Look, I’m not endorsing that article’s propositions.  I just threw that out there to get you rightwingers to start talking about your future.  There have been meetings of GOP insiders since the day after the election where some have talked about moving the party more to the left (like David Cameron has done with the Conservatives in the UK) while others have openly talked about it being good that these elections purged the party of moderates.

I’m curious as to what the foot soldiers of the movement that call this site home have to say about this issue (or non issue, as the case may be).

Didn’t we just lose after acting like leftist for the last eight years and campaign even further to the left?

You think campaigning on: 

tax cuts for the wealthy
maintaing dependence on oil
refusing to address global warming
maintaining the self-regulatory culture of the past eight years
maintaining the neoconservative foreign policy of the last 8 years
anti-gay policies
anti-abortion policies

is “campaigning even further to the left”? 

Further to the left of what?

Any of the rightwinger revisionists here willing to take the position that the McCain/Palin campaign ran a leftist campaign?  If so, why?

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Posted: 11 November 2008 05:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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anti-gay policies

Hey wasn’t the black dem turnout in Cal that put prop 8 over the top?

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Posted: 12 November 2008 12:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Any of the rightwingers here want to hazard an answer to the question: what did the Republicans of 2008 run to the left of in the election of 2008?

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Posted: 14 November 2008 05:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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In today’s Times:

3 Successful Republicans Caution Against a Move to the Right

Senator Collins, Senator Alexander and Representative King were among Republicans who defied the odds in a terrible year for their colleagues. Their re-elections provide a possible road map for how the party can succeed in a challenging political environment. The answer, the three veteran politicians agreed, is not to become a more conservative, combative party focused on narrow partisan issues.

“What doesn’t work is drawing a harsh ideological line in the sand,” said Ms. Collins, of Maine, who early in the year was a top Democratic target for defeat but ended up winning 61 percent of the vote while Senator Barack Obama received 58 percent in the presidential race in her state.

“We make a mistake if we are going to make our entire appeal rural and outside the Northeast and outside the Rust Belt,” said Mr. King, of New York, who easily won re-election in a region shedding Republicans at a precipitous rate.

“We can stand around and talk about our principles, but we have to put them into actions that most people agree with,” said Mr. Alexander, of Tennessee, a self-described conservative who was able to attract African-American voters.

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Posted: 15 November 2008 02:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint:

“McCain, who is proponent of campaign finance reform that weakened party organizations and basically put George Soros in the driver’s seat,” DeMint said. “His proposal for amnesty for illegals. His support of global warming, cap-and-trade programs that will put another burden on our economy. And of course, his embrace of the bailout right before the election was probably the nail in our coffin this last election. And he has been an opponent of drilling in ANWR, at a time when energy is so important. It really didn’t fit the label, but he was our package.” [...]

“Americans do prefer a traditional conservative government,” he said. “They just did not believe Republicans were going to give it to them.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/14/gop-senator-mccain-betrayed-republican-principles/

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Posted: 15 November 2008 02:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Bobby Jindal - 15 November 2008 02:37 PM

South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint:

“McCain, who is proponent of campaign finance reform that weakened party organizations and basically put George Soros in the driver’s seat,” DeMint said. “His proposal for amnesty for illegals. His support of global warming, cap-and-trade programs that will put another burden on our economy. And of course, his embrace of the bailout right before the election was probably the nail in our coffin this last election. And he has been an opponent of drilling in ANWR, at a time when energy is so important. It really didn’t fit the label, but he was our package.” [...]

“Americans do prefer a traditional conservative government,” he said. “They just did not believe Republicans were going to give it to them.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/14/gop-senator-mccain-betrayed-republican-principles/

I liked McCain’s immigration policy but DeMint is spot on regarding the other issues. I like the fiscal policies of Governor Sanford of South Carolina too.

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Posted: 16 November 2008 01:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Arnold: GOP ‘Values’ Talk is ‘Nonsense’

November 16, 2008 9:03 AM

I asked California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on This Week what he thought the Republican Party should do to reinvent itself.

He argued his party has lost sight of what’s important to the future of Americans.

“This dialogue about ‘we have to go back to our core values.’ What is that?” Schwarzenegger said during an interview on This Week.

How far does ‘core’ go back in history in America?” Thirty years? Fifty years? Because we know that Teddy Roosevelt talks about universal healthcare,” he said.

“I think it’s all nonsense talk,” Schwarzenegger said.

The California Governor argued his party should focus on rebuilding the nation’s infrastructure.

“We need to rebuild America,” he said. “Then we have to go and create great relationships with our partners overseas in the world … We have to take care of healthcare, we have to take care of our environment and we have to build an energy future. Those are the things that people want right now.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2008/11/gop-values-focu.html

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Pence v. Pawlenty:Faces Of GOP Schism Starting To Take Shape

As glib as it is to talk about how the 2008 election left the GOP in a fractious state, this is not just idle tea-time chatter for poli-sci nabobs: the GOP is faced with a Classic versus New Coke decision. They can dial up the Palin populism or chart a new course along with the Grand New Party types. And we can already start ascribing faces to each side. Ana Marie ### has been assessing the future figureheads of the GOP, and, in a pair of interviews for The Daily Beast, the contrasts between the two potential party personalities emerge in striking fashion.

Mike Pence is a congressman from Indiana who’s set to take over as chair of the House Republican Conference. About all you need to know about the guy is contained in ###’s deck text: he thinks “the GOP lost in 2008 by not being conservative enough.”

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Tim Pawlenty, on the other hand, approached the question in a very different way. Asked to “decode” his vision of the future of the GOP, Pawlenty consciously steers away from bromides, and, significantly, goes right to citing policy initiatives.

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Coca Cola Classic is not the same as the original Coca Cola. Classic uses corn syrup not sugar.

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