According to Moon Griffon, Chris John voted to give the UN money to monitor our elections. Would someone tell me how much money was being appropriated to the UN to have them come monitor our elections.

[QUOTE=cenlaguy]According to Moon Griffon, Chris John voted to give the UN money to monitor our elections. Would someone tell me how much money was being appropriated to the UN to have them come monitor our elections.

Over in the “What Was Chris Thinking” thread about 6 days ago, you asked, “Were there funds being appropriated for the UN to monitor elections in the US? If there weren’t, then Moon Griffon owes Chris John an appology. This morning, Moon Griffon said that Chris John voted to give the UN funds to observe our elections.”

The followup postings seemed to agree that the bill did not allocate any money, it was more an invitation, one of those that everyone knew would’t pass. It was not clear what John’s motive was. Have you learned something new?

I can’t find where reference to funds being appropriated for the UN to monitor our elections. Moon has spent half his show this morning and every day recently saying Chris John voted to appropriate funds to the UN to monitor our elections this year. I am simply asking for someone to tell me how much was appropriated and to show me where this is in the bill.

[QUOTE=cenlaguy]I can’t find where reference to funds being appropriated for the UN to monitor our elections. Moon has spent half his show this morning and every day recently saying Chris John voted to appropriate funds to the UN to monitor our elections this year. I am simply asking for someone to tell me how much was appropriated and to show me where this is in the bill.

When I looked last week at the U.S. somwhere around thomas.loc.gov, I couldn’t find any appropriation in the bill either.

[QUOTE=Unregistered]When I looked last week at the U.S. somwhere around thomas.loc.gov, I couldn’t find any appropriation in the bill either.

The amendment that John voted against was:
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AMDT.701 to H.R.4818 An amendment to insert at the end of the bill (before the short title) a new section stating that none of the funds made available in the Act may be used by any official of the United States Government to request the United Nations to assess the validity of elections in the United States.
Sponsor: Rep Buyer, Steve [IN-4] (introduced 7/15/2004) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 7/15/2004 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Buyer amendment (A010) Agreed to by recorded vote: 243 - 161 (Roll no. 385).
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This was not about money. Saying “no funds may be used to....” really means, “the U.S. Government shall not....” There would not have been any expense, other than maybe a letter! It was about liberal vs. conservative philosophy and those stolen election charges, not about money at all. No appropriation.

Moon Griffon is saying that Chris John voted to give money to the UN to monitor our elections. So he is not telling the truth?

[QUOTE=Unregistered]When I looked last week at the U.S. somwhere around thomas.loc.gov, I couldn’t find any appropriation in the bill either.

FYI, here are all the myriad foreign aid topic that DID make it into HR 4818:
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Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 2005 (Referred to Senate Committee after being Received from
House)

Beginning
July 19, 2004
TITLE I--EXPORT AND INVESTMENT ASSISTANCE
Export-Import Bank of the United States
SUBSIDY APPROPRIATION
ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES
Overseas Private Investment Corporation
NONCREDIT ACCOUNT
PROGRAM ACCOUNT
TRADE AND DEVELOPMENT AGENCY
TITLE II--BILATERAL ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE
UNITED STATES AGENCY FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
CHILD SURVIVAL AND HEALTH PROGRAMS FUND
DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE
INTERNATIONAL DISASTER AND FAMINE ASSISTANCE
TRANSITION INITIATIVES
DEVELOPMENT CREDIT AUTHORITY
PAYMENT TO THE FOREIGN SERVICE RETIREMENT AND DISABILITY FUND
OPERATING EXPENSES OF THE UNITED STATES AGENCY FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
CAPITAL INVESTMENT FUND
OPERATING EXPENSES OF THE UNITED STATES AGENCY FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL
Other Bilateral Economic Assistance
ECONOMIC SUPPORT FUND
INTERNATIONAL FUND FOR IRELAND
ASSISTANCE FOR EASTERN EUROPE AND THE BALTIC STATES
ASSISTANCE FOR THE INDEPENDENT STATES OF THE FORMER SOVIET UNION
Independent Agencies
INTER-AMERICAN FOUNDATION
AFRICAN DEVELOPMENT FOUNDATION
PEACE CORPS
MILLENNIUM CHALLENGE CORPORATION
Department of State
GLOBAL HIV/AIDS INITIATIVE
INTERNATIONAL NARCOTICS CONTROL AND LAW ENFORCEMENT
ANDEAN COUNTERDRUG INITIATIVE
MIGRATION AND REFUGEE ASSISTANCE
UNITED STATES EMERGENCY REFUGEE AND MIGRATION ASSISTANCE FUND
NONPROLIFERATION, ANTI-TERRORISM, DEMINING AND RELATED PROGRAMS
Department of the Treasury
INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE
DEBT RESTRUCTURING
TITLE III--MILITARY ASSISTANCE
INTERNATIONAL MILITARY EDUCATION AND TRAINING
FOREIGN MILITARY FINANCING PROGRAM
(INCLUDING TRANSFER OF FUNDS)
PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS
TITLE IV--MULTILATERAL ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE
FUNDS APPROPRIATED TO THE PRESIDENT
INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS
GLOBAL ENVIRONMENT FACILITY
CONTRIBUTION TO THE INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION
CONTRIBUTION TO THE ENTERPRISE FOR THE AMERICAS MULTILATERAL INVESTMENT FUND
CONTRIBUTION TO THE ASIAN DEVELOPMENT FUND
CONTRIBUTION TO THE AFRICAN DEVELOPMENT BANK
CONTRIBUTION TO THE AFRICAN DEVELOPMENT FUND
CONTRIBUTION TO THE EUROPEAN BANK FOR RECONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT
LIMITATION ON CALLABLE CAPITAL SUBSCRIPTIONS
contribution to the international fund for agricultural development
international organizations and programs
TITLE V--GENERAL PROVISIONS
COMPENSATION FOR UNITED STATES EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS TO INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS
RESTRICTIONS ON VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTIONS TO UNITED NATIONS AGENCIES
LIMITATION ON RESIDENCE EXPENSES
LIMITATION ON EXPENSES
LIMITATION ON REPRESENTATIONAL ALLOWANCES
PROHIBITION ON TAXATION OF UNITED STATES ASSISTANCE
PROHIBITION AGAINST DIRECT FUNDING FOR CERTAIN COUNTRIES
MILITARY COUPS
TRANSFERS
COMMERCIAL LEASING OF DEFENSE ARTICLES
AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS
LIMITATION ON ASSISTANCE TO COUNTRIES IN DEFAULT
COMMERCE AND TRADE
SURPLUS COMMODITIES
NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS
LIMITATION ON AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS FOR INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS AND PROGRAMS
INDEPENDENT STATES OF THE FORMER SOVIET UNION
PROHIBITION ON FUNDING FOR ABORTIONS AND INVOLUNTARY STERILIZATION
EXPORT FINANCING TRANSFER AUTHORITIES
SPECIAL NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS
DEFINITION OF PROGRAM, PROJECT, AND ACTIVITY
CHILD SURVIVAL AND HEALTH ACTIVITIES
AFGHANISTAN
NOTIFICATION ON EXCESS DEFENSE EQUIPMENT
THE GLOBAL FUND TO FIGHT AIDS, TUBERCULOSIS AND MALARIA
DEMOCRACY PROGRAMS
PROHIBITION ON BILATERAL ASSISTANCE TO TERRORIST COUNTRIES
DEBT-FOR-DEVELOPMENT
SEPARATE ACCOUNTS
ENTERPRISE FUND RESTRICTIONS
SUDAN
AUTHORITIES FOR THE PEACE CORPS, INTER-AMERICAN FOUNDATION AND AFRICAN DEVELOPMENT FOUNDATION
IMPACT ON JOBS IN THE UNITED STATES
SPECIAL AUTHORITIES
ARAB LEAGUE BOYCOTT OF ISRAEL
ELIGIBILITY FOR ASSISTANCE
RESERVATIONS OF FUNDS
CEILINGS AND EARMARKS
PROHIBITION ON PUBLICITY OR PROPAGANDA
PROHIBITION OF PAYMENTS TO UNITED NATIONS MEMBERS
NONGOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS--DOCUMENTATION
WITHHOLDING OF ASSISTANCE FOR PARKING FINES OWED BY FOREIGN COUNTRIES
LIMITATION ON ASSISTANCE FOR THE PLO FOR THE WEST BANK AND GAZA
WAR CRIMES TRIBUNALS DRAWDOWN
LANDMINES
RESTRICTIONS CONCERNING THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY
PROHIBITION OF PAYMENT OF CERTAIN EXPENSES
HAITI
LIMITATION ON ASSISTANCE TO THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY
LIMITATION ON ASSISTANCE TO SECURITY FORCES
FOREIGN MILITARY TRAINING REPORT
AUTHORIZATION REQUIREMENT
CAMBODIA
PALESTINIAN STATEHOOD
COLOMBIA
ILLEGAL ARMED GROUPS
PROHIBITION ON ASSISTANCE TO THE PALESTINIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION
WEST BANK AND GAZA PROGRAM
CONTRIBUTIONS TO UNITED NATIONS POPULATION FUND
WAR CRIMINALS
USER FEES
FUNDING FOR SERBIA
COMMUNITY-BASED POLICE ASSISTANCE
SPECIAL DEBT RELIEF FOR THE POOREST
AUTHORITY TO ENGAGE IN DEBT BUYBACKS OR SALES
BASIC EDUCATION
RECONCILIATION PROGRAMS
DEBT RESTRUCTURING AUTHORITY
TRADE CAPACITY BUILDING
EXCESS DEFENSE ARTICLES FOR CENTRAL AND SOUTH EUROPEAN COUNTRIES AND CERTAIN OTHER COUNTRIES
CUBA
OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE COALITION PROVISIONAL AUTHORITY
OVERSIGHT OF IRAQ RECONSTRUCTION
INDONESIA
LIMITATION ON ATTENDANCE AT CONFERENCES OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES
LIMITATION ON CONTRACTS
PROHIBITION ON USE OF FUNDS FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES
PROHIBITION ON USE OF FUNDS TO REQUEST THE UNITED NATIONS TO ASSESS THE VALIDITY OF ELECTIONS IN THE UNITED STATES
LIMITATION ON PROVISION BY EXPORT-IMPORT BANK OF CREDIT TO ENTITIES REINCORPORATING OVERSEAS
PROHIBITION AGAINST DIRECT FUNDING FOR SAUDI ARABIA
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You can then go to each of these items at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c108:3:./temp/~c108UPm7ID:: and read all the interesting things we have decided in favor of or against promoting. The Buyer amendment wound up in this part:
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PROHIBITION ON USE OF FUNDS TO REQUEST THE UNITED NATIONS TO ASSESS
THE VALIDITY OF ELECTIONS IN THE UNITED STATES

SEC. 579. None of the funds made available in this Act may be used by any official of the United States Government to request the United Nations to assess the validity of elections in the United States.

LIMITATION ON PROVISION BY EXPORT-IMPORT BANK OF CREDIT TO ENTITIES
REINCORPORATING OVERSEAS

SEC. 580. None of the funds made available in this Act may be used by the Export-Import Bank of the United States to approve an application for a master guarantee and political risk supplement where the applicant’s charter or articles of incorporation show that the entity is incorporated or chartered in Bermuda, Barbados, the Cayman Islands, Antigua, or Panama.

LIMITATION ON ECONOMIC SUPPORT FUND ASSISTANCE FOR CERTAIN FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE PARTIES TO THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

SEC. 581. None of the funds made available in this Act in title II under the heading `ECONOMIC SUPPORT FUND’ may be used to provide assistance to the government of a country that is a party to the International Criminal Court and has not entered into an agreement with the United States pursuant to Article 98 of the Rome Statute preventing the International Criminal Court from proceeding against United States personnel present in such country.

PROHIBITION AGAINST DIRECT FUNDING FOR SAUDI ARABIA

SEC. 582. None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available pursuant to this Act shall be obligated or expended to finance any assistance to Saudi Arabia.

This Act may be cited as the `Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 2005’.

Passed the House of Representatives July 15, 2004.
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[QUOTE=cenlaguy]Moon Griffon is saying that Chris John voted to give money to the UN to monitor our elections. So he is not telling the truth?

I don’t know Moon Griffon or anything about him. I’d guess he doesn’t understand there was no specific appropriation, but he probably does know he doesn’t want any suspicious U.N. spies looking too closely at our fine election process. Leander Perez used to tell me the same thing!

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Mac Abrams
(504) 833-1163

Vitter: “The United Nations has No Business in Our Elections”

“Chris John likes to say that ‘a strong America begins at home,’ but his actions yesterday say something else. Once again, I was disappointed that Chris John chose to follow the National Democratic party, instead of standing up for Louisiana values. In a bipartisan vote, the House of Representatives stood up to the ultra liberal establishment, and voted to stop any taxpayer funds from going to the United Nations to monitor American elections.”

NEWS FLASH TO VITTER:

THERE WERE NO FUNDS GOING TO THE UNITED NATIONS TO MONITOR AMERICAN ELECTIONS

Dems better stop complaining about 2000. Voters don’t like crying. Its 2004- better start running your own races, and quit missing Al Gore.

The part about funding could be argued all day. God knows US does fund the UN>
the MAIN point is UN can’t handle food for oil program..how the hell would they monitor US elections??. they only do that in 3rd world countries. I am insulted that John would vote this way. If he and Kerry have their way, we’ll soon be pledging allegiance to UN and putting our US troops under UN commanders. God help us if that happens !!

QUOTE=cenlaguy]FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Mac Abrams
(504) 833-1163

Vitter:?The United Nations has No Business in Our Elections?

?Chris John likes to say that?a strong America begins at home,? but his actions yesterday say something else. Once again, I was disappointed that Chris John chose to follow the National Democratic party, instead of standing up for Louisiana values. In a bipartisan vote, the House of Representatives stood up to the ultra liberal establishment, and voted to stop any taxpayer funds from going to the United Nations to monitor American elections.?

NEWS FLASH TO VITTER:

THERE WERE NO FUNDS GOING TO THE UNITED NATIONS TO MONITOR AMERICAN ELECTIONS

[QUOTE=Unregistered]The part about funding could be argued all day. God knows US does fund the UN> the MAIN point is UN can’t handle food for oil program..how the hell would they monitor US elections??. they only do that in 3rd world countries. I am insulted that John would vote this way. If he and Kerry have their way, we’ll soon be pledging allegiance to UN and putting our US troops under UN commanders. God help us if that happens !!

When we say the Pledge Of Allegiance to the U.N., will they still let us say “under God,” or will we have to change to “under The Goddess” or “under The Provider To Each According To His Needs” or some other Communist theology? Costa Rica, here I come!

When I attempted to vote last fall, I went to the place on my voter registration card. The commissioner couldn’t find my name on the voter roll. Turns out they me on the right precinct’s roll but had the wrong poll llocation on my card. There were several with the same problem. Thankfully, we were able to get it straightened out so I could vote. I know it all had to do with reapportionment but it still happened.

You are right in that the US and other nations have asked on numerous occasion for the UN to assist in monitoring elections all over the world. We even send former presidents and other high ranking former officals to monitor them. And let’s remember, they are not running the elections but monitoring them for abuses and problems.

We have federal and state agencies who monitor our elections yet we seem to have problems of one kind or another almost every election cycle.

[QUOTE=Unregistered]When we say the Pledge Of Allegiance to the U.N., will they still let us say “under God,” or will we have to change to “under The Goddess” or “under The Provider To Each According To His Needs” or some other Communist theology? Costa Rica, here I come!

Maybe the UN could make sure fat boy Michael Moore doesn’t vote twice.

[QUOTE=cenlaguy]FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
THERE WERE NO FUNDS GOING TO THE UNITED NATIONS TO MONITOR AMERICAN ELECTIONS

Then why did Chrissy oppose the bill?????????????????????

WHY.WHY.WHY.WHY.WHY............THE ONLY ONE........

[QUOTE=Unregistered]Then why did Chrissy oppose the bill?????????????????????

WHY.WHY.WHY.WHY.WHY............THE ONLY ONE........

Because he is an idiot liberal who loves the UN